Of Dreams and Dreamers and people who Dream

by mcs on September 13, 2010 · 21 comments

in Dreaming Awake,Spirituality

And the difference between them…

Boudica: Dreaming the EagleIn the chaos of last week, I had a particularly lucid email from someone who had a) read all the Boudica books and taken on board the nature of Dreaming, and b) wanted to come on one of my foundation courses in Shamanic Dreaming but was concerned as to the nature of dreaming, of shamanic practice. Her question was this:

From your books I have been left with the impression that, for the characters at least, dreaming is not possible (or, readily available) for everyone.  Have I misunderstood you in this?  Or, is it that everyone is able to dream, but some individuals have a greater facility for it than others?  I suppose I am really asking you if it is common or indeed, even possible, for a person to turn up at one of your courses and spend the entire time struggling to achieve a single moment of true dreaming?

Which is an entirely sensible question. Having answered it in an email with a fairly short response along the lines that, while everyone can dream, not everyone chooses to be a dreamer, I thought it was worth answering as a longer blog post.  In effect, I want to have something sem-permanent in the ether to call upon when next asked (or perhaps to answer ahead of time).

BOUDICA: DREAMING THE BULLSo before we go there, we need to establish some basics – to be sure we’re talking the same language with the same syntax – as with all things spiritual, semantics can make a world of difference.

And before we start with the vocabulary, we need also to establish that everything I write is my own opinion, based on my own experience, using as a seed those things I have been taught.  Very few things are set in stone, although those that are (in my opinion) are pretty immutable. That doesn’t stop other people from ignoring them with apparent impunity.

The basics, therefore, go like this:

  • Shamism is a spiritual practice.
  • Shamanism is the oldest spiritual practice of which we have any knowledge.
  • Shamanism is evidence-based – which is to say, it has no basis in any text or creed, but is instead, grows from and facilities a direct connection between the practitioner and the worlds around her/him.
  • As with any spiritual practice, shamanic practice teaches us two things:
    • how to live
      • That is, how to be fully present in each moment of each day, and in doing so, to live to our fullest potential.  In doing so also, we learn to see beyond the boundaries of the world, but this is an effect, not a primary aim
    • how to die
      • That is, how to progress with full awareness from this life to whatever comes next. It’s important to remember that ‘whatever comes next’ is unknowable and unknown. We can presume a lot. We can project a lot. We can hope for things to be as they want them to be. But we can never know.
      • What we can do is to practice mindfulness so that we are fully aware of the entirety of our self in each moment of living, and so  – we hope – in each moment of dying,
      • We can also practice our dreaming such that we remain fully aware of our central essence, the core of our self/Self throughout the night or other times of sleep in the belief that this will enable us similarly to hold our awareness through death.
      • We can also practice as a psychopomp  – that is, someone who helps to usher the essence of the dead on its path through the other worlds. Nevertheless, however much this feels real to us, we can only infer any sense of reality through the impact on the living. (which may be dramatic, and is, in my opinion, well worth the effort as long as we don’t get sucked into dramatics)
  • Shamanic theory teaches us that this reality is a very small part of all possible reality, and that the boundaries we perceive within it and around it are entirely fictitious.
  • Shamanic theory teaches that everything has spirit – in this reality and beyond it
  • Shamanic theory teaches us that, with training, the practitioner can move through the gateways from this reality to the other realities, to engage and interact with the spirits in the other realities in order to ask for help – and that we can then bring that help back to our reality and make use of it
  • Shamanic theory teaches us that the shamanic practitioner knows where to go, how to go, who to speak to, what to ask, how to ask, how to get back and what to do when we are back.  If even one of these is missing, we’re not undertaking shamanic practice, we’re spacing out.
  • Intent is everything. Learning how to focus intent with integrity is the key to any spiritual path. It’s essential to genuine, authentic shamanic practice.
  • Nobody in the west is a shaman.  We don’t grow up in spiritual culture and, frankly, we don’t go to the places that true shamans go, however much we might like to think we do.  What we can do is to use the tools of shamanic practice to enhance our lives and to heal those around us.  We can learn how to live, how to die, how to heal our own lives, and those of others and how to aid the dead in their passage.

All of this is immensely worthwhile and is worth a lifetime’s practice in my view, but there’s a world of difference between modern western ‘shamanics’ and the remaining genuine indigenous peoples and the work that they do.

It’s worth bearing the following in mind when we begin to journey to the other worlds: in (some) shamanic cultures, there are people who would  – and do – prefer to die rather than become the tribal shaman. There are people who do die in the effort to become the tribal shaman.  The training is generally between 12 and 20 years and the only way you know you’ve passed is if you’re still alive at the end of it – and the pass rate is not high.  What we can learn in a weekend – even a year of weekends, is the first step. It is not the entire journey.

BOUDICA: DREAMING THE HOUNDSo there we have the basics of shamanic practice.  Which isn’t quite Dreaming and doesn’t address the initial question but at least it lays out the terminology.  To get to dreaming and dreaming, we have to go through the medium of the Boudica: Dreaming series  of novels, and perhaps to look at how they were written.

I first began learning (modern, western) shamanic practice in the early 80s.  Some of my teachers were ego-driven fantasists, but some were people of huge integrity with the capacity to facilitate authentic experiences.  Some were western, some were from the First Nations of the Americas (taking north, centre and south as three separate sections, which they seem to be in terms of culture) and some were European.

The move from veterinary medicine to writing grew out of my shamanic practice, as did the move from writing contemporary crime thrillers to writing the Boudica series  – that, in particular, was entirely driven by a series of events which have very little bearing on what we might call consensus reality.

In brief, I had written No Good Deed and was planning Absolution, its sequel, when my lurcher killed a lactating hare.  Hares are sacred to the old gods of this country and so it became imperative to find the kits before they starved to death.  I failed, as you do in thirty or so acres of tall grass.

So it seemed to me that if something had to die for me to wake up to the fact that I was walking along with my brain in neutral, then I had better start paying attention. I went on a vision quest and set the question (the only relevant question as far as I’m concerned) – ‘What do you want from me?’

BOUDICA: DREAMING THE SERPENT SPEARThe answer was unequivocal and came very fast – I was to write Boudica. This didn’t come entirely out of the blue – I had made a commitment in ceremony some years before that I would write the life of Boudica – but had assumed that I’d get round to it whenever my writing was ‘good enough’ which was always, by definition, at least a decade away.

So I argued. I’m a vet, not a historian, an archeologist, an anthropologist. My editors won’t let me do it.  My agent won’t let me do it. I can’t afford to do it… I can, when I try, spin out a vision quest to far longer than it need be because, plainly, the answer didn’t change. I had enough money to last 3 months before I had to go back to the day job full time. Based on that, I made an agreement to do the necessary research and, if it turned out that I had enough to go on, I’d do it – and if not, I’d come back and we’d have the conversation again.

That night, I called a friend who writes a major historical series and was told to forget it:  that my editor would never let me do it – which was true, she didn’t – and that there was no point because there wasn’t enough known about Boudica to write a story or else my colleague would have done it already.

The light in the tunnel came from my agent who was entirely supportive. Thus fortified, I did the research and by the end of the month, had a chapter and a 23 page synopsis. By the end of the second month, I had 3 chapters and while my editor at Headline turned it down, I had an offer from a new editor at Transworld – one who clearly understood (and still understands) the dreaming.

Thus was the Boudica: Dreaming series born, or at least, conceived. The full gestation took six years of intense writing and even more intense journeying and dreaming. I was single at that point, more or less, certainly I lived alone and spent most of my time with two dogs and an increasing number of cats as company. I walked in the east Anglian forests, I journeyed, I dreamed, I asked for help and wrote the results of that help.  The books are, entirely, a product of dreaming about dreaming.

I made a commitment with the first one to be sure that I didn’t write anything that couldn’t be done today. My remit for the whole series was: This is who we were, This is who we could be. At least for the first book, every single act of dreaming within it, I had either done or seen done – nothing was, or is, out of our reach.  The gods are there, the land is there, the ways of connecting are there if we are prepared to step back from the cushioning and the distractions of western society and reconnect (I live in a house with no music unless it’s live and when I was writing the four books of the series, I had no television. I did, however, spend most of my evenings dreaming with the fire. It’s not impossible, but it’s not normal by the standards of modern living)

That said, I still believe we can all access the dreaming. And so I began to teach it: as a basic form to begin with an in increasing depth as the dreaming group has grown.

Which brings us back to that first, lucid question:

From your books I have been left with the impression that, for the characters at least, dreaming is not possible (or, readily available) for everyone.  Have I misunderstood you in this?  Or, is it that everyone is able to dream, but some individuals have a greater facility for it than others?  I suppose I am really asking you if it is common or indeed, even possible, for a person to turn up at one of your courses and spend the entire time struggling to achieve a single moment of true dreaming?


So we’d better talk about dreaming.  It has two uses: I used the word ‘dreamers’ rather than ‘druids’ for a number of reasons, not least because it lifts us away from the white-bed-sheets-at-Stonehenge-summer-solstice stereotype. It also encompasses more of what I see as genuine shamanic practice.

I am well aware that the Michael Harner school of Core Shamanic Study teaches that the journey is everything  – that is, journeying on the wave of a drum beat to specific locations to ask specific questions of specific entities, in order to bring the answers back to this reality -  but this is not my experience.

Rather, my experiences is that while drumming journeys can be powerful and useful and have their place in modern practice (although often as the opening of a gate and the asking of a question rather than as an answer), so too does the practice of dreaming; of listening to night dreams, of setting dream intents, of actively dreaming to specific locations.

We have no evidence whatsoever that the tribal peoples of the Late Pre-Roman Iron Age possessed any drums with which to conduct shamanic drumming journeys and while ‘absence of evidence is not evidence of absence’ – and I did create the skull drums of the bear-dreamers – it is my belief that night dreams play as much of a part in many shamanic cultures as journeys conducted to a rhythm or with psychotropic drugs.

(Note on psychotropic drugs: we don’t go there in my group.  I would venture to suggest that nobody in the west has sufficient grounding to go there and that we certainly don’t have the route maps to know where to go safely and how to return intact).

So: I teach journeying just as I teach all the aspects of safety that I consider essential to sane, coherent, authentic shamanic practice.  I also teach the use of dreams and the ways by which they might safely be harnessed. The aim is to provide a toolbox from which the practitioner can select the appropriate technique for the occasion.  If your only tool is a hammer, all your problems become nails.  I use other tools and want my students to have access to them – together with an absolute baseline of how safely to use them.

And so, in final answer to the question: I believe everyone can dream.  Everyone can have night dreams – in fact everyone does have night dreams, it just takes some people a while to learn how to remember them. When they do, they are often revelatory. Other people have astonishing, action-filled nights full of prophetic dreams and yet others have one single dream they remember that recurs once a year and they know of nothing else, but everyone can dream.

Almost everyone can journey.  Those who can’t, in my experience, are often those who have a current or past history of major recreational drug use  – I ask that people not come on my courses if they’re currently using recreational psychotropics on the grounds that they simply don’t have the grounding necessary for genuine shamanic practice – but past use can still unhinge the wiring. Successful journeying comes with practice, but it may take a lot more time and a lot more practice of focusing intent if there’s a history of spacing out.

Which brings us to the next part of the answer: Everyone can dream – everyone - but not everyone becomes a dreamer. For some, it’s just not their path.  For others, it’s attractive and fun and sparkly and they can use it as a vehicle for their projections and as a means to upset Great Aunt Agatha who’s wedded to one or other of the major religions, but it’s not a life’s path.  For others, it’s useful when they’re in trouble, but it’s not a life’s path.

For a few, it’s a life’s path: these are the people who put in the time to journey, to dream and to meditate; the people who understand at a visceral level the distinction between head mind and heart mind; the people whose guides/spirit helpers/gods are as real to them through day and night as the people they encounter in the flesh and blood of our consensus reality; these are the people whose life grows out of the dreaming, not the other way around.  These people are the dreamers of our society.  The rest are people who dream. And there is no great kudos in being one or the other. We are what we are.  We live as best we can, each of us, in the moment.  That’s what makes us human.

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Matt September 13, 2010 at 7:25 pm

Manda,

Thanks for taking the time to put this all down.

Matt

mcs September 13, 2010 at 7:28 pm

Matt – you’re welcome. If it doesn’t make sense at any point, let me know…

m

Courtney September 13, 2010 at 8:14 pm

This is one of the most concise and articulate pieces I’ve seen on someone’s experiences of shamanism, as well as how those experiences are incorporated in to teaching methods.

Most fascinating to me is your discussion about indigenous peoples and how no matter which of their tools/legacies we use, training can never replace culture and the alternant methods we can develop for western shamanism. I have friends whose first teachers were from indigenous cultures, and instead of trying to form a shamanism that incorporates western culture, taking the best from it and disregarding the worst, they try and perfectly immitate the practices of their instructors, without the grounding; the more I see this, the more disturbing a phenomenon it becomes. /And if any of that didn’t make sense, please let me know.

Btw, a bit tangential, butt. was Absolution ever finished? The reason I ask is that in my copy of No Good Deed, there was a preview of Absolution and I’ve been searching rather franticly for a copy. And if it wasn’t finished, do you intend to finish at some later date? I definitely understand if the answer is no, and your writing has evolved in different directions. However, I figured there was no harm in asking.

Katja September 13, 2010 at 9:44 pm

Is there a “bad journey” that a dreamer could live like there are bad dreams or nightmares ?

mcs September 13, 2010 at 10:23 pm

Courtney – thank you for your comments – and no, Absolution was never finished- I wrote Boudica instead. I may go back and finish it soon, tho’ – it’s all still there in my head and I’ve recently sold the film rights to NGD, so writing Absolution, even if only in script form, would make sense.

Katja – yes, but only if you completely ignore the rules and go places that are unsafe without backup. That won’t happen on a beginners’ course if I can possibly avoid it.

Courtney September 13, 2010 at 11:30 pm

If all goes well with the film rights, and I realize that is a huge if, seeing NGD on screen will be phenomenal; I adore all your novels for one reason or another, but NGD was my favorite characterwise, so seeing visual interpretations should be fascinating. The scenes were always so clearly delineiated and the settings for each were so distinct that I can see it transferring quite easily to the screen.

It’s funny you mention film rights because a friend and I were talking recently about which novels we’d read recently we’d love to see on screen, and the two that kept coming up were NGD and Tigana. Seeing a really excellent actor playing Brandon would be an absolute joy to behold, imho.

And seeing Absolution, in any form, would be fantastic.

ou’ve mentioned scriptwriting in several places recently; it must’ve been interesting as an author to go from writing, which is such a descriptive and dialogue driven media, to scriptwriting where while some of the same elements are present, you’re thinking of everything in terms of visual media.
Anyway.. sorry for straying so far off the original topic *smile*

mcs September 13, 2010 at 11:36 pm

No problem… we had a discussion recently on facebook about script-writing vs novel writing… the strengths and weaknesses of each. It’s the collaborative nature of scriptwriting that appeals – and its speed. I wrote the last one in 5 days, bounced it back and forth with the producer in New Zealand, making the most of the time shift and its ready to roll. All we need to do now is find backing (this one didn’t come from a book). So writing Absolution as a script has huge appeal – and then if I want to, I can write the book…

Elina September 17, 2010 at 2:54 am

As someone who did go to one of Manda’s courses, and did indeed struggle with the dreaming the entire time, I thought I might share some of what that experience taught me.

I came a long way (as in physical distance) to take part in the foundation course because everything about the way you, Manda, teaches seemed to make sense to me (and it still does). Provided with a safe environment and surrounded by people I had, in a very short time, come to trust and respect, my every attempt at dreaming and/or journeying still came up empty. Suffice to say, it was very frustrating – even more so considering I actually knew, most of the time, why this was so hard for me; I could not get out of my own way. I knew that I had, for a very long time, closed parts of myself off from most of the outer world – as a means of protection – but until that weekend, I had not known the extent of this isolation and how it might also harm me.

I went home and felt like I had failed and tried to get back to ‘normal’ but could never quite shake the feeling that I had to change myself, fundamentally, if I was ever going to dream. If spiritual pratice is all about healing and wholeness of self, does not this realization put me one tiny step closer to healing? I would like to think so. We are all different and so the ways in which we progress are also different.

Were it not this late (or early, it all depends) I would probably never post this, but now I’ll let it be part of my learning to let things (thoughts) out and not making excuses for them. :)

mcs September 17, 2010 at 8:13 pm

Elina – thank you for this – I would say that while your journeying was hard, it wasn’t completely empty and your *dreaming* seemed to me fruitful. That said, I did think of you when I was writing as one of the very few who had a hard time journeying without any history of drugs. If you ever want to come again, the cost is reduced for re-visitors, but it would take twice as much courage, I think, and it takes a lot the first time.

For what it’s worth for everyone else, while there are people who have a hard time journeying in the beginning, and some who have a hard time dreaming, the only ones who have a hard time with both, are those who have been sent or dragged by family members and fundamentally don’t want to be there. I am learning to recognise those earlier now and head them off at the pass…

Elina – thank you for having the courage to write…

m

DEBBY May 9, 2011 at 10:12 pm

Hi Manda, i have just finished the last of the Boudica books and found it almost too much to bear…here’s why. I have been born and bred in Norwich Norfolk, homelands of the Ecini. I have trained to be an archeaologist, this happened by chance, and changed my life. Ever since i learnt more about the iron age peoples ( especially the Ecini ) i have felt strongly drawn to them, their lives..and since your books..their dreaming. It probably sounds weird but i sometimes feel that i am connected to them in some way…maybe it’s all in my mind, but the more i learn , the more familiar and right it all seems. my family think i’m a right “fruitcake ” and call me obsessed with the Ecini. I would really appreciate if you could give me some more info on your courses, ie , prices, venues etc. PS. I’M NOT A FRUITCAKE !!!!!, just need some answers to unanswered questions that rattle around in the old grey matter !!! Thanks Debby x

mcs May 10, 2011 at 7:45 am

Debby – you don’t sound like a fruitcake at all… mail me using the ‘contact’ email in the sidebar and I’ll send you more information

DEBBY May 10, 2011 at 11:50 am

Hi Manda, tried to contact you via your email but my contact client email is not set up and i don’t know how to change it !!!….is it possible that you could contact me directly via my email….sorry for being so computer illiterate !!! ….regards, debby

Simon August 29, 2011 at 1:07 pm

Hi Manda
Having already signed up for the dreaming course in November, reading your explanation here just confirms that I’ve made exactly the right decision based on where I am with my life right now. I’ve been drawn closer and closer to all things spiritual for some years now and have made a concious decision to develop my own spiritualism, I wish I’d done it earlier in my life, but………..things happen for a reason, I wasn’t ready for it and Spirit wasn’t ready for me, now I think they may be and are willing to help, time will tell.
The Boudica books are wonderful, inspiring, insightful and moving, they touched something deep within me.
Where all this leads me I have very little idea, I’ll do what’s asked of me and attempt to bring to the fore my higher-self for the good of others, that’s what we’re here in the world of matter for after all isn’t it?
I look forward to Dreaming and Journeying with meaning and purpose and becoming a more effective part of the collective that is man’s Spirit and Soul.
Kindest regards
Simon

mcs August 29, 2011 at 2:07 pm

Debby – I don’t have your email – it doesn’t save it on the site… at least, not that I can find. Can you send any kind of mail? Or put down your email address with at and dot instead of the relevant characters so that bots don’t find it? (or in two messages? Or something)

sorry – m

mcs August 29, 2011 at 2:36 pm

Simon – thank you – I’m heading off to teach a North Gate to the advanced group tomorrow – I’ll take the spirit of this with me as I head up to North Yorks…

Celia Stevens January 2, 2012 at 2:22 pm

You have put into words all I hoped would be out there somewhere. Your books have released a part of me that I knew was there and had nearly escaped before. You have given me hope and a hunger to learn more. Thank-you. I met you briefly and you signed a book for me, little did I know then that a door would open even though the path is still obscured.

mcs January 2, 2012 at 3:10 pm

Thank you – what a wonderful way to start 2012… If you ever want to come on a dreaming workshop, do let me know…. M

Tay March 9, 2012 at 11:28 pm

Hi Manda, i just finished dreaming the serpent spear today and fell totally in love with the series from the first book. Reading the series made me think about myself and life in general and i feel like there is definitely something more out there than this. I was wondering if you have anymore information about the concept of dreaming, or any forthcoming dates of courses? Thanks, Tay

mcs March 11, 2012 at 2:56 pm

Tay – I sent you an email – did you get it? If not, take a look at the ‘dreaming’ tab on the blog (one to the right of the main tag). It has details of the courses and also a ‘contact me’ link. – thank you… m

Dick Petulant March 20, 2012 at 3:25 pm

Hi Ms. Scott,

I really enjoyed your Boudicca books, but I’m really posting this to comment directly on this thread. I have absolutely no experience of dreaming or any shamanic practice. But I have some experience of a traditional warrior art. I think that what you’ve said about the delusional nature of some dreaming/shamanic stuff in modern society mirrors the decline into self-delusion of some traditional combat systems. As you’ve remarked and other posters have elaborated on, not having the background can be everything; you remarked that in some societies becoming the tribe’s shaman can be an all-out effort that fails and results in death (and from the little I’ve seen those who emerge are usually more than a little bit strange). Similarly, in the system I practice, two or three generations ago the common practice was for a prospective student to present himself to his teacher with three items: a gift, symbolic of respect and friendly intent; a knife, for use in training; and two by six feet of white cloth, to be buried in if he died during training.

Now I take what I do seriously and I try hard and take my knocks, but I don’t expect to be killed in training. Those who seek a fully immersive method of training like those ‘of old’ are more likely to be tricked by shysters or end up tricking themselves, seeking instruction from people who ‘look right’ (of Asiatic/Asian ethnic origin in the case of many martial arts) or who use pseudo-traditional trappings. Additionally, just as is the case with shamanic doings, the martial arts attract not only fantasists but the inadequate, the weird and occasionally the genuinely unhinged as well as many who see one step as the whole journey and hope to be cured of their personalities by training.

I get that nobody is interested in my hobby per se, but your remarks and those of other posters that referred to reminded me of something and when I figured out what it was I felt myself moved to say this stuff, because I thought the parallels might be interesting to some.

I could also use this opportunity to say that the Boudicca books are the only historical fiction I have ever read that managed (most of the time, more or less) not to fall into the trench on either side – one, of merely exporting totally modern people into the past, and the other, which I think of as ‘Boy with the Bronze Axe’ syndrome, of writing a believable world entirely from the outside.

Cheers,
R.

mcs March 20, 2012 at 3:41 pm

Thank you for this – the parallels are fascinating. I used to practice Aikido, but not with any pretense that what we were doing was anything other than a westernised bastardised version of the ‘real thing’ – for which I was immensely grateful, really. One of the American women who was at the head of our particular branch went to Japan where she was permitted to sweep the floors for 4 years while her (less able) boyfriend was boosted up the dan grades. It was painful to watch.

And yes, the risk of projection, of power play, of idiots and charlatans is vast and the damage immeasurably huge.

Glad you liked the books.

dream well

m

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